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UFC 133's Dennis Hallman Gets Down And Dirty Taking On Testosterone Replacement Critics

UFC veteran Dennis Hallman credits Testosterone Replacement Therapy with feeling better than ever at the age of 35. Some may take issue with the treatment, including fellow fighters like B.J. Penn. But Hallman is ready to take on all comers in a good old fashioned debate.

Aug 3, 2011 - Dennis Hallman has heard a lot about Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) recently. From fans, from the MMA media, and even from fellow fighters like B.J. Penn, who called the medical treatment 'total B.S.' Everyone has something to say regarding a subject Hallman believes they know little to nothing about.

"People hear something from an official who was uneducated and they run around talking like they know the facts. They don't," Hallman said as he walked the aisles of a Las Vegas grocery store. "...The thing about those guys is that they are as ignorant as they can be. You can't generalize everybody in every situation. Those guys probably don't even know where testosterone comes from in the body.

"You hear guys making statements that are ignorant all the time. And they've never spent 15 minutes looking up or studying hormone replacement. They make statements like that because the media propaganda machine brainwashes the average citizen into thinking steroids are bad. When really, they are medicine. But just like any medicine, if you abuse it, it becomes a drug."

Pro wrestler Lance Storm isn't buying it. He publicly renounced  the UFC and MMA in general, citing an abuse of steroids he just wasn't comfortable with. In particular, Storm took issue with Testosterone Replacement Therapy. He had seen this used an excuse in the pro wrestling industry, giving steroid abusers a free pass to continue using:

This whole issue makes me even madder because, in my not completely uneducated opinion, the Testosterone Replacement Therapy deal is a complete load of horse shit.  None of these fighters are suffering from low levels of testosterone unless they are self induced by previous steroid use.  We are talking about incredible fit, very muscular individuals, some of which appear on the cover of Muscle, and Fitness magazines, they are not suffering from low levels of testosterone, unless they are taking steroids for an extended period of time and then get off to produce the desired effect when they go to their doctors for a prescription.

Remarks like that send Hallman right over the edge.

"It does not do that. It can do that," Hallman says, stressing the word can. He knows this stuff backwards and forwards and explains, in dizzying detail how your body sends messages to the testes to turn cholesterol into testosterone. More detail can be found here, for the Mr. Wizards of the world. But Hallman can put it in layman's terms, too.

"It's like if you smoke cigarettes, 10 packs a day for years," he explains. "The odds of you getting lung cancer are pretty good. Does that mean you're automatically going to get lung cancer? No. Does it mean that if you do get lung cancer it was caused by the smoking? No. But the likelihood is pretty high. It's the same thing with testosterone. If you take 1000 milligrams of testosterone every week for five years because you are in the WWE, sure, the likelihood of your body stopping its production of testosterone is pretty high. But if you take low amounts? If you smoke one cigarette a day for years are you likely to get lung cancer? Probably not. Can you? Yeah. But it's not as likely.

"If you're on synthetic hormones, your body can stop producing luteinizing hormones and that's what tells the body naturally to build its own testosterone. If you're on high enough dosages for a long enough time, it's true your body can stop producing that hormone. Even on a low amount of testosterone for a long period of time, your body can naturally shut off.

"People say 'This guy got busted for steroid, he's not going to be able to produce his own testosterone now.' We have another steroid called cortisol. People go into the doctor all the time to get cortisone shots. You think that their body stops producing cortisol because they got a cortisone shot? Obviously not. It only takes a simple guy and a simple analogy to figure that out."

Hallman credits Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with his career resurgence. He was diagnosed with Celiac Disease last year and the HRT treatment has made it possible for him to train harder and better than ever before. His body, he explains, didn't have the correct amount of cortisol, which is what feeds your adrenal gland. It made training next to impossible. He just couldn't recover quickly enough to reach his maximum potential. Some are skeptical, after all Hallman did fail a 2007 drug test after a Strikeforce fight, popping hot for Drostanolone and Nandrolone. He contends, however, that he's found a legal and ethical way to beat the same issues in his body, the kind of issues that might drive a fighter to try illegal steroids.

"My body doesn't produce its own testosterone or cortisol, several hormones. Testosterone is just one of them. So I'm on HRT right now," Hallman said. "There's a difference between being on it and abusing it. I take 75 milligrams a week of testosterone. Taking 75 milligrams a week, it's not going to take your level, even if you have normal levels of testosterone, over the limit anyway. That's my situation with HRT. I have to have it to keep my levels from dropping dangerously low. If that happens I would be at risk for diseases like osteoporosis."

On Saturday, Hallman fights fellow veteran Brian Ebersole. Hallman is coming off a torn lateral collateral ligament in his knee, but says he's ready for action. Ebersole, an unorthodox fighter who upset Chris Lytle in his UFC debut in February, has lost the secret to his success - at least according to Hallman, who contends that Ebersole's chest hair, shaved into an arrow pointing at his own face, was key.

"He called it a 'hair-ow.' But I think his girlfriend shaved it," Hallman says with a laugh. "He was like Samson. And Delilah just shaved his hair. He shaved his chest hair so he's going to be weak."

Hallman won't be following that path. "No man, my dad would kick my ass."

With a win over Ebersole, he would be riding a three fight win streak. At 35 he feels better than ever - and he isn't willing to give up on the idea of a championship run in the UFC to cap his career.

"They're putting this on pay per view, so obviously they are willing to market whoever wins," Hallman said. "I want to get this win under my belt, then I'm sure there will be somebody else waiting before a title shot can be talked about. Hopefully someone else who has been marketed. It should be good. I want to fight the guys that can get me to the top."

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Great work, Jon. Really informative piece.

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by Luke Thomas on Aug 3, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Hallman completely dodged Storm's point

Which is that a lot, if not all, of these guys in pro MMA taking TRT never needed it in the first place. You can depress your production through a variety of methods, one of which is prior steroid use as Storm mentions, to get the temporary “low” test result to get a legal prescription.

Whether or not it is “bad” as in bad for the sport is a different question. It undeniably gives users an edge over non-users, though, as Hallman shows with his statement that he could “train harder and better than ever before.”

by Pantherhare on Aug 3, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Actually he addressed it pretty well since Storm was overreaching with his comments and showing alot of the ignorance that Hallman was talking about. Regardless i’m glad to see Hallman have a resurgence in his career with the UFC, i’m a big fan and love watching him fight and it’s good to know he’s just as smart and intellectual outside the cage as he is inside it.

by Raker on Aug 3, 2011 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Guys using TRT need to be monitored more closely and tested more often

To make sure it isn’t getting abused. That should be part of being cleared for this treatment. Not every one can be a pro athlete. If you don’t have the “balls” for it you should just get a normal job like the rest of us. Sorry that’s life.

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by CROOKS on Aug 3, 2011 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

^^^THIS!

Absolutely right.

If you “need” TRT to fight, you shouldn’t fight!

by AngryTwinkie on Aug 3, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

If MMA fighters at the highest level were paid more

A lot of them wouldn’t need to fight at a ‘senior’ age.

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by KJ Gould on Aug 3, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t need to fight. They can work as a Wal-mart greeter, flip burgers, mow lawns, etc., like plenty of other people do that fall short of their dreams.

“Needing” to fight at a ‘senior’ age does not mean they “need” TRT.

by AngryTwinkie on Aug 3, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of these guys have sacrificed their bodies to fight

And ultimately are the ones that make the promotions money. UFC and all the others can set the stage all they want but without the players there is no performance and therefore audience.

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by KJ Gould on Aug 3, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

what if you need your eyes corrected or need your knee fixed, why is that ok?

by Phildo on Aug 4, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

While I actually agree with “CROOKS” above—not everyone can be an elite athlete, and your hormone production is a potential barrier of entry—you make an excellent point. Is it different? Or just stigmatized?
I guess I’ll have to rethink my position on this.

by theMultiverse on Aug 5, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The costs of monitoring and testing would be pretty high for a commison's budget.

Maybe Chael should pay out of his own pocket?!

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by killphil on Aug 3, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOok

I wish fighters would not be on roids, trt, but it runs rampant…. and since TRT is legal in MMA and everyone can bitch about how it should be illegal n’ cheating… but it’s not, sorry.
 
Screw the random testing, have testing every month and I think the public has a right to know since it is artificial enhancement, i think their opponent also has a right to know… at least monitored TRT is better than having fighters on illegal steroids. With TRT I can see fighters going well into their 40’s which is fine, they can have a longer career that way.

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by THORAZINE on Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

good piece

I completely disagree with Hallman though.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, he does come off as someone who did a lot of research in order to convince himself/others that what he’s doing is OK.

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by POW on Aug 9, 2011 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

'Storm' has always been vocally opposed to steroid abuse

Even if he did willingly work in an industry that only just recently self-regulates (to absurdly lenient levels) because of how rampant steroid and narcotic abuse had got. ‘Storm’ is also quite self-righteous in other areas and excuses his tolerance in his own industry because he ‘loves’ it while easily criticising others.

If you’re on TRT you need to be monitored weekly to continue competing as an athlete in my opinion because it should normalise your levels. There should not be these spikes and falls leading up to a competition date that Nate Marquardt and his manager admitted to in their interview with Helwani. How is that any different to cycling on and off banned or illegal performance enhancers?

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by KJ Gould on Aug 3, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Lance Timothy Evers

I’m not calling any grown man “Storm” unless he’s part of the X-Men and has real superpowers. His name is Timothy.

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by Luke Thomas on Aug 3, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why at most I used his stage name within apostrophes

Just going with Evers would probably confuse the majority of people reading the comment, plus would make me look like a bigger wrasslin’ nerd than I already appear to be.

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by KJ Gould on Aug 3, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come off...

It.

Are you going to address Gene Simmons as Chaim Weitz or any other entertainer with a stage name by their real, given name?

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by Sergio Hernandez on Aug 3, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as TRT

 is illegal, it’s cheating, no matter how you spin it. It has great benefits for a guy my age, but there’s no way a 35 yr old athlete needs it.i’ve never heard of Lance Storm, but he nailed it.

by Guy Bezzar on Aug 3, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

A legitimate cause that hasn't had any play in media coverage

Are fighters who were competitive wrestlers since high school and the continual weight cutting they did having an effect on their testosterone levels. It’s not like UFC fighters that cut weight at most once every 3 months. Wrestlers cut weight every week in season because they compete every week in season. Take a high school wrestler who remains competitive into adulthood past college and at the international level? That’s potentially 2 decades worth of cutting weight every week for the better part of a year, every year. Low testosterone levels is a definite by product of this, and in some scenarios more serious consequences include dying from diseases that consist of cellular breakdown.

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by KJ Gould on Aug 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

As far as I know, the testosterone decrease observed in wrestlers is temporary and reversible. I haven’t seen a long term study. Have you personally observed this, where a high level wrestler in his late 20s, early 30s, who has never juiced, has legitimate, permanent hormonal problems due to his wrestling background?

by Pantherhare on Aug 3, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could get this research funded

Seriously. Contact a research endocrinologist and propose this study. They’re always looking for research topics, and I’m certain you’d find someone who is interested in this specific field (athletics, hormones, sports effects). This could be as important a study as the traumatic encephalopathy ones for the field of MMA.

by theMultiverse on Aug 5, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Question:

I was always wondering about people like Henderson. Maybe his testosteron dropped because of age.

How is the TRT adjusted?

Does he get treated like a 40 year old and are his levels now “normal” for a 40 year old?

And when he gets tested, does he need to be in the “normal” range of a fighter in his 20s?

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by killphil on Aug 3, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I would imagine that Henderson's T levels dropped as he got older due to what KJ is referring to.

As for Hallman, he uses a frustrating analogy when he compares smoking cigarettes every day for 10 years to steroids and TRT. It is factually analogous, but without concrete statistical evidence in terms of the risks of each, it is disingenuous to compare them. I don’t believe there is one disease or medical condition that will effect 100% of the population, so saying that X “may” cause Y, but Y doesn’t necessarily mean X is pretty standard logic.

In his case it seems that it is a real need for his well-being, but he doesn’t do himself any favors when he extols the training benefits of his TRT.

Again, the only way to properly oversee this is to have a rigorous testing schedule done by a third party organization.

by Luke Nelson on Aug 3, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

How it works

Basically, they diagnose you for low T via labs (blood tests), and then try to figure out a way to get your levels back up. There’s a “normal range”, which is pretty broad; the low end of the “normal” range is pretty unimpressive, but normal for older or naturally lower-T guys, and still will support healthy body function. Going beyond the high end of the range will cause all sorts of health issues, including raised hemoglobin levels (which can cause stroke), etc.
Having diagnosed low T, they try to find a way to get you back to normal. There is Androgel, which is a gel you rub on your shoulders every day, and there is testosterone cypionate injections. The gel is obviously preferred, since you don’t have to deal with needles, but not everyone can absorb the gel adequately for it to be effective.
So, you start taking the gel or injections, and then you get your labs drawn regularly to determine if you’re back in correct levels.
Having gone through all this, it’s actually really, really hard to get levels right, and it’s hard to keep them right, too—the body changes over time, so what worked last year may not work now.
I went through all this recently due to a pituitary tumor (which, scarily, is incredibly common) and still have to get labs regularly. It’s a trip.

by theMultiverse on Aug 5, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and...

the range given is for all guys—it’s not broken into age groups. So yes, Hendo’s T being in “normal” could be the normal level for 20 year olds, but age-specific levels are not the goal of TRT.

by theMultiverse on Aug 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

good write up

great to hear someone who knows what is up talk about it instead of the clueless rubes who usually spout some drivel

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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Aug 3, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Bas Rutten eviscerated Hallman on Inside MMA.

I want to say it happened maybe a couple of weeks ago. Hallman sounded very knowledgeable on the show, but he seemed to be defending each and every user of the treatment instead of covering only for those who need it. Bas is very anti-PEDs, so I’m not sure how much of a nuanced conversation you can have with him, but he made some very good points on how you can spike your levels high and then taper them off before the fight. Hallman doesn’t sound sincere to me, personally. He seems to only be defensive about this issue.

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